July 27, 2007

Lowe's Rebate Problems

I posted an entry about the new washer/dryer we bought through Lowe's. One of the reasons we had the set delivered was because we could get back the $65.00 delivery fee through a rebate. For $65.00 we could have rented a pick-up truck and brought them home from the local brick and mortar. So, I print out the receipt after I purchased them online. As you can see, the date of purchase is very visible on the page. It is showing that the washer/dryer set was purchased on June 27th, 2007.

So, I double checked everything on the rebate form to make sure that I was in compliance. I know getting a rebate can be relatively easy. Or, you have to pull teeth to get your money back. So, here is the rebate form. Accompanying it, is a larger cut out of the dates in which you have to make the purchase. You notice that the dates are 5/5/2007 - 7/29/2007. 6/27/2007 falls between those dates no problem.

So, you can imagine my surprise when I received the following letter today in the mail:

My rebate was rejected because, according to them, the cash register receipt enclosed was not dated within the time period designated for this offer.

Um, does anyone else see a problem here? 6/27/2007 falls almost in the middle of the designated dates stated on the form. They are giving me seven days to resubmit the information. Nice and close to the cut-off date, huh? I almost feel like this was intentionally done to cheat me out of my rebate. They are going to get a call on Monday, since the number that was included on the letter is not available on the weekends. Like I said earlier, the only reason we went with this was for the delivery charge rebate. For $65.00 we could have rented a truck, and have money left over. Looks like I'll have to switch back over to shopping at Home Depot. If this isn't resolved, I am going to post it on Rip-Off Report.com, along with some of the other complaints by people who have had trouble getting their rebates honored through Lowe's.

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July 21, 2007

Don't Bother Me!

I'm reading!

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Truth in Advertising

I was surfing the web looking for some information on a car salesman from the past. It wasn't Cal Worthington, but the guy who influenced him. Ralph Williams. Anyway, I found this outtake. This was done back in 1966 and it's hilarious.

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July 19, 2007

Michael Vicks Needs to Go

I'm not into sports. But, this story has crossed over and hit the mainstream. This guy sounds like he was a loser from the start. If he was making millions playing football and getting paid endorsements, why did he need to be involved in dog fighting? Maybe it wasn't the money. Maybe he's a sadistic creep who loved to see dogs killing each other. I never have bought Nike products, so it's really nothing if I say I am going to boycott them. The NFL needs to do what is right and get rid of this guy.

Story here

Vick is NFL's latest PR nightmare

The league may wait until quarterback's dogfighting charges are resolved, but an angry public isn't.

By Sam Farmer, Times Staff Writer
July 19, 2007

In the hours that followed the federal indictment of Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick — an alleged key player in a Virginia dogfighting operation — the team's offices were flooded Wednesday with angry phone calls, an Atlanta radio station switched to an all-Vick-all-the-time format, and the national Humane Society's computer server crashed under a deluge of e-mails.

Vick, 27, and three others are accused of violating federal laws against staging dogfights, gambling and engaging in unlawful activities across state lines. According to the indictment, they ran Bad Newz Kennels out of a property the quarterback owns in Surry, Va., and executed pit bulls — by methods such as hanging, drowning, electrocution, shooting and beating — that didn't perform well as fighters.

Wayne Pacelle, president of the Humane Society of the United States, characterized the response as "unbelievable," adding, "There's no happiness we're feeling about this, but we're pleased that the public is not tolerant of this, and that there's such enormous revulsion to this kind of conduct."

Vick, the former Virginia Tech star, said after authorities initially raided the property in April that he was rarely at the house and had no idea it had been used in a criminal enterprise. He could not be reached for comment Wednesday.

The Vick case will be the most significant test yet for the NFL under Commissioner Roger Goodell, who has pledged a crackdown to make players and teams more accountable for off-field transgressions.

The league said in a statement that "all concerned should allow the legal process to determine the facts." In a separate statement, the Falcons said they "plan to do the right thing for our club as the legal process plays out."

But in at least in one recent instance, the league suspended a player before his case made it through court. Tennessee Titans defensive back Adam "Pacman" Jones, suspended in April, had at least 10 run-ins with police in his first year in the league.

Vick and his alleged business partners — Tony Taylor, 34, of Hampton, Va., Purnell Peace, 35, of Virginia Beach and Quanis Phillips, 28, of Atlanta — all were ordered Wednesday to appear for a bond hearing and then arraignment July 26. That's the same day the Falcons are scheduled to open training camp.

But reaction to Vick's indictment, and the graphic allegations of how the animals were treated, has been swift and severe — from inside and outside pro football.

"This is going to be a significant blemish on the NFL, no matter what," David Cornwell, a former assistant general counsel for the league, said Wednesday.

The Atlanta-based attorney added that there was nothing the league's new boss "can say or do that's going to make this go away from an image perspective. I just don't believe in degrees of bad — when it's bad it's bad. And this is bad."

Harry Edwards, a longtime NFL consultant and sociology professor emeritus at UC Berkeley, said, "The Atlanta Falcons and the NFL are going to be confronted with a heck of a decision to make as they enter the season. At what point does the message, image and marketability of the game come into play irrespective of any outcome of a trial?

"What happens when you get literally millions of people who say 'Hanging, shooting and electrocuting of dogs? And we're going to cheer for this guy? We're going to buy shoes from this guy?'

"It's not going to be good enough to say, 'I'm going to go out on the field and do my job as a football player and let my attorney handle it.' "

Meanwhile, hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons and civil rights activist Al Sharpton were teaming up with officials from PETA on a joint letter sent to the Falcons, NFL and Vick's corporate sponsors, urging them to "stand up for what is right, and speak out against what is wrong."

The letter read, in part, "dogfighting is unacceptable. Hurting animals for human pleasure or gain is despicable. Cruelty is just plain wrong."

PETA President Ingrid Newkirk said, "anyone capable of forcing dogs to fight to the death should be kept away from all vulnerable forms of life, particularly children and animals."

The indictment identifies Vick as a key player in an operation that dated to 2001, just before his rookie season with the Falcons. Listed are at least 30 fights that Vick or other members of the kennel arranged or participated in, including details such as the names of the dogs and the amount of money — often thousands of dollars — awarded to the owners of the winners of matches that were frequently fought to the death.

Peace, Phillips and Vick also allegedly executed "approximately eight" dogs that did not perform well during so-called "testing" sessions in April. Later, authorities seized from the property 60 dogs — most of them pit bulls — along with treadmills, a stick used to pry fighting animals apart, and a "rape stand" device used to hold down aggressive females for breeding.

It's not the kind of news the NFL wants one of its highest-profile players to make.

Vick was ranked 24th in Sports Illustrated's list of top-earning athletes in 2006, collecting $13 million in salary and $7 million in endorsements. He is sponsored by Nike, which has yet to weigh in on the situation other than releasing a statement Wednesday saying, "We are aware of the indictment. We have no further comment at this time."

Nike has a history of maintaining relationships with its athletes even in the face of controversy. It kept its ties with cyclist Lance Armstrong despite persistent doping rumors, and with Lakers guard Kobe Bryant after his arrest for sexual assault in Colorado.

While Vick's main sponsor was measured, public opinion was not. At WQXI in Atlanta, the Falcons' official sports radio station, there was an unbroken stream of phone calls after the news of the indictment.

"The only thing close to this was the John Rocker story," said program director Matt Edgar, referring to the former pitcher for the Atlanta Braves whose racist comments in December 1999 made national news. "But this is on another level. It's crazy."

Edgar said the calls were divided along "racial lines more often than they should be."

He added: "You still have the redneck base that say, 'I never liked him from the get-go.' Then you have the people who say, 'If he goes, I'll go. I'll sell my tickets.' "

A Falcons source said the team received "a ton of ugly phone calls," not just from season ticket holders in Georgia, but from places such as Ohio, Pennsylvania and Maine.

Asked to characterize the calls, the source said: "I'll say this, people are very passionate about their pets."

This is not Vick's first encounter with negative publicity. He settled a lawsuit last year filed by a woman who said he knowingly gave her herpes. Also, last November he made an obscene gesture to Falcons fans as he walked off the field after a 31-13 loss to the New Orleans Saints. He later apologized.

And in January, Vick was stopped by security screeners at the Miami airport while he was carrying a water bottle that had a hidden compartment containing a dark substance that smelled like marijuana. He told screeners he used the bottle to store jewelry. Authorities found no evidence of drugs and Vick was cleared of wrongdoing.

Marketing experts say the severity of these latest allegations overshadow all past problems.

"I would say there's a do-not-touch sign on Michael Vick," said Steve Rosner, co-founder of 16W Marketing. "Whether he's involved or not, at this point it's guilty by association."


The Newport News Daily Press contributed to this report.

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July 14, 2007

My 700th Entry

This is somewhat of a milestone. My 700th entry. I am not known for sticking to things. I lose interest quite rapidly. I am surprised that I have stuck with this blog as long as I have. Anyway, I found an article that explains more about what happened with certegy. (In my previous entry, I posted a letter I received from them.)

Article here:

Certegy “doing everything possible” to ensure trust with consumers after data breach

By Melissa Campanelli
July 6th, 2007

Certegy Check Services Inc. said it is doing everything possible to assuage consumers' fears of identity theft after it became known that a former employee stole 2.3 million consumer records containing credit card, bank account and other personal information.

St. Petersburg, FL-based Certegy Check Services Inc. is a division of Fidelity National Information Services, a financial processing company. A former employee of Certegy, which provides check services to US retail merchants, misappropriated and sold consumer information to a data broker who in turn sold a subset of that data to a limited number of direct marketing organizations.

According to a civil complaint filed by Certegy in the Circuit Court of the Sixth Judicial Circuit in St. Petersburg, FL, the employee was senior level database administrator William G. Sullivan, who had been employed by the company for seven years and who was entrusted with defining and enforcing data access rights.

According to the filing, Sullivan obtained information from Certegy’s database and, either individually or through his wholly owned entity, S&S, was paid for the information by list broker JAM Marketing Inc. JAM had gone on to disseminate the misappropriated information to other direct marketing firms, including Strategia Marketing LLC, Data Secure IP LLC, MC List Escrow Inc.; Quality Resources Inc.; Whitehat.com Inc; and Quality Teleservices Management Inc., doing business as Custom Response Teleservices.

In the court document, Certegy said that the broker and the direct-marketing companies were not aware that the information had been stolen.

No phone listing or Web entry was available for JAM Marketing and MC List Escrow, both of which are based in Seminole, FL. Strategia Marketing would not take calls from a reporter and said it only responded to written questions sent through the mail.

Calls to Data Secure IP LLC were not returned.

A person who did not want to be quoted at Quality Resources Inc. said that while the company was named in the filing, it did not buy data from the entity. An employee of Whitehat.com was not aware of the filing but planned to look into it. Finally, an employee of Quality Teleservices Management Inc., doing business as Custom Response Teleservices, was also not aware of the lawsuit and said that the company buys its data directly from its clients.

The misappropriated information included names, addresses, and telephone numbers as well as, in many cases, dates of birth and bank account or credit card information. Approximately 2.3 million records are believed to be at issue, with approximately 2.2 million containing bank account information and 99,000 containing credit card information. The company is still investigating the time period over which the misappropriations occurred.

The data was not used in identity theft or other fraudulent financial activity, Fidelity said. As a result of this apparent theft, the consumers affected received marketing solicitations from the companies that bought the data.

Despite the low risk, Certegy said that it is doing everything possible to ensure that any inconvenience experienced by consumers is minimized.

For example, besides filing the complaint, Certegy officials said they had contacted the data broker and the marketing companies and believed they would be able to get the data back and prevent its future use. Certegy has asked a court in St. Petersburg to order the companies to do the same.

She also said the company will seek civil penalties against the former worker and wants criminal charges filed against him.

Certegy also said it is in the process of making any required notifications to governing state regulatory agencies; has alerted the nation's three major credit reporting agencies, TransUnion, Equifax and Experian; and has notified Visa and MasterCard of the incident.

The company is also establishing a procedure for financial institutions to obtain information about their customers' accounts so that they can place them on an active fraud watch; will be personally notifying all affected consumers of this misappropriation, as well as establishing a toll-free hotline to answer consumer questions; and has implemented a fraud watch on its internal systems for those checking accounts that are implicated.

Certegy also said continually reviews its security policies, and is taking steps to help prevent future incidents.

Based on the investigation to date, Certegy does not expect that the costs to implement this action plan will materially impact financial results.

The investigation began in May when Certegy, which maintains bank account information in connection with its check authorization business that helps merchants to decide whether to accept checks as payment for goods and services, learned that some customers were being solicited by telephone and mail. Certegy launched an immeidate investigation and was unable to detect any breach of its security systems. It hired a forensic investigator to validate its findings and contacted the Secret Service.

The Secret Service was able to identify the company supplying the information and, with further assistance from Certegy, determined that the company was owned and operated by a Certegy employee.

The agency contacted the marketing companies to question the source of their information and determined it came from a company owned and operated by Sullivan. Nichols said he did not know how much money Sullivan received.

Data theft has been a problem with several companies. TJX Cos. the operator of T.J. Maxx and Marshalls, disclosed in January that a data theft exposed 45 million credit and debit cards to potential fraud. In February 2006, Scott Levine of Boca Raton was sentenced to eight years in prison in a computer theft case involving more than 1 billion in records collected by data-management firm Acxiom Corp. a Little Rock, AR.-firm. In March 2005, the parent company of Lexis Nexis said hackers got access to personal information as many as 32,000 U.S. citizens in a database owned by Lexis Nexis.

A lawyer with many clients in the direct mArkeitng cindusry said the data theft issue appears to be a situation where Certegy did everything absolutely right, both before and after the theft of the data.

“What the law currently requires is for companies to have in place a comprehensive information security program that is reasonably designed to protect the security, confidentiality, and integrity of personally identifiable information,” said Joseph Lewczak, a partner at Davis & Gilbert LLP in New York, in an e-mail. “It appears that Certegy did that. Unfortunately, no such security program can prevent a person who has access to such information from stealing it, especially in a case where that person takes the information using a physical process.”

The one thing that Certegy could have done, Lewczak said, could have been to conduct a background check on its employees who had access to the personally identifiable information.

“Given the sensitivity of the information, and the potential legal and financial consequences in the event of a theft or other compromise of such information, a background check is a good step to add to the list of best practices,” he said.

The impact on the direct marketing is a little more disconcerting, Lewczak said.

“It appears that the marketing companies were totally unaware of the fact that the data was stolen,” he aid. [For more comments from Lewczak, including what the issue means to DMers, see www.dmnews.com]


This appears to be a situation where Certegy did everything absolutely right, both before and after the theft of the data. What the law currently requires is for companies to have in place a comprehensive information security program that is reasonably designed to protect the security, confidentiality, and integrity of personally identifiable information. It appears that Certegy did that. Unfortunately, no such security program can prevent a person who has access to such information from stealing it, especially in a case where that person takes the information using a physical process.

Once a company discovers that the information has been taken, various state data breach notification laws require a company to notify all those persons who were impacted by the breach. Certegy did that as well.

Indeed, given the various additional steps that Certegy took after the breach was discovered, it appears that Certegy went well above and beyond what it is required to do given current legal requirements. However, what Certegy did by notifying the authorities, investigating the breach, firing the employee, instituting a civil complaint, contact the marketing companies, notifying the consumer reporting bureaus and taking the other steps it took are text book example of best practices as to handle this type of situation. All companies should follow its lead if something similar happens.

The one thing that Certegy could have done that it may not have done was to conduct a background check on its employees who had access to the personally identifiable information. Given the sensitivity of the information, and the potential legal and financial consequences in the event of a theft or other compromise of such information, a background check is a good step to add to the list of best practices.

The impact on the direct marketing is a little more disconcerting.It appears that the marketing companies were totally unaware of the fact that the data was stolen. The Federal Trade Commission and state regulators are increasingly target companies that are the "choke points" of transactions that involve deceptive or unfair acts or practices -- that is legitimate companies that can control or stop the conduct of others that they are dealing with. For example, the FTC has put pressure on the media to not accept deceptive weight loss ads, and has also pursued merchants (as opposed to affiliates) in affiliate marketing programs. I see the Certegy situation as an instance where a regulator might pursue the marketing companies, if they didn't have in place appropriate procedures to determine that the data may have been stolen.

You may ask, what could a direct marketer possibly do in order to ensure this isn't the case? A regulator would not require the direct marketer to take any more steps than are reasonable in the circumstances. Things to consider as best practices when purchasing or licensing data:

1.Do you know and trust the source? If not, you probably should not rely upon it as being legitimate.

2.Do the terms of the deal appear to be too good to be true? For example, is the cost for the license less than market rate? This should be a clue that something may be amiss.

3.Do you have in place an appropriate written agreement with the seller? The agreement must contain representations and warranties from the seller that the list was obtained in compliance with law, that they have the authority and permission from the persons on the list to transfer the information, and that the direct marketer's use of the information will not violate any law or the rights of any third party. If the seller is balking at any of these terms, you know there is an issue.

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July 12, 2007

Oh Joy!

Just what I love to get in the mail. Seems like it was our checking account info. They didn't specify who it was. However, I am wondering if it might have been with Amazon.com. They had started an option where you could have money deducted straight from your checking account to pay for purchases. That option has suddenly disappeared. I e-mailed them about it and got a response stating that there was a problem with the company that they were dealing with and hoped to have it resolved soon. Either way, I have put a fraud alert on the three credit reporting agencies.

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July 10, 2007

I Admire This Woman

Finally someone stands up and refuses to lower the quality of news to tabloid trash.

Article here

TV journalist a hit after burning out covering Paris Hilton

By David Bauder


NEW YORK - A lighter and paper shredder helped make Mika Brzezinski the symbol of television journalism's guilt trip about Paris Hilton.

Brzezinski used both to destroy a script calling for her to read about Hilton's release from jail on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" program recently. Part serious, part an act, it has become an Internet sensation. More than 2 million people have watched a clip of the incident, around 10 times the number who watched it live on TV.

Apparently, she's not the only one sick of the socialite.

"Among journalists it touched a nerve because I think we're tired of pretending this is important," she said. "We also know that, deep down inside, our viewers know that we don't believe this is news. They can't. They can't think we're that dumb."

Brzezinski, who left CBS News last year, has been working as a news-reader and on-air foil for Joe Scarborough on the show MSNBC is trying out to replace Don Imus in the morning.

Hours after Hilton's June 26 catwalk to freedom, Scarborough and Brzezinski discussed one of the day's other big stories at their show's opening: influential Republican Sen. Richard Lugar's declaration that President Bush's Iraq strategy wasn't working.

It was then Brzezinski's turn to sum up the day's news. She looked down at her script and Hilton was the top story. She froze.

"I could not get through the first three words without crumbling," she said. "My skin was crawling. This was our lead? On a day like this? To me, it was just the ultimate Paris Hilton out-of-control moment.

"We've gone too far and we've got to stop. That was all real. There was nothing planned about that, and I believe we got a little snappy."

Indeed, Scarborough egged her on. He took the wadded-up script and drew it to his nose, inhaling with a look of rapture on his face. "Smell that," he said. "It even smells good."

Broader show-biz antics took over during subsequent news breaks. Brzezinski attempted to set the script ablaze at one point, then sent it through a shredder borrowed from network chief Dan Abram's office.

She attracted the world's attention. Brzezinski's gotten over a thousand e-mails, and was named "woman of the week" by a British Web site. She's been invited to address a media symposium in Scotland. The New Zealand Herald hailed her: "Deliberate or not, there is no denying the incident struck a chord with viewers the world over. When it comes to Paris, we've all had enough."

It may be a coincidence, but three days after the incident MSNBC told Brzezinski that she'll have a regular hour to anchor the news each morning.

There's been no shortage of journalists making clear their distaste for the story, only to find Hilton's siren song irresistible.

CBS's Katie Couric told a Boston audience in May, to applause, that "we have a precious amount of time on the `CBS Evening News' and I don't think we need to ever utter the name Paris Hilton." A month later, Couric's broadcast reported on Hilton's jailing and the controversy over her short-lived release.

NBC's Brian Williams noted on his Web log when Hilton was taken into custody that "nobody mentioned Paris Hilton at our afternoon editorial meeting."

The very next day, Hilton's brief release was the No. 2 story on NBC's "Nightly News."

Anderson Cooper couldn't help himself when his CNN newscast immediately followed Larry King's exclusive interview with Hilton on June 27. King landed the interview only after ABC and NBC backed off their hot pursuit, skittish about publicity that they were, it appeared, willing to pay for her cooperation.

"I think we have heard a couple of you screaming at the screens," Cooper said.

He then proceeded to spend an hour talking about Hilton. And he was amply rewarded: Cooper's 1.89 million viewers that evening more than doubled his average June audience of 790,000 people, according to Nielsen Media Research. King nearly tripled his typical audience that night.

The Associated Press tried a voluntary ban on Hilton news earlier this year, just to see who would notice. It ended when she was ticketed for driving with a suspended license, the offense that eventually landed her behind bars.

Television ratings aren't the only proof that reporting on Hilton is like eating junk food - you know it's bad for you, but you do it anyway.

"It has always been part of the job of news organizations to provide people with the news that they need to know as well as the news that they want to know," said Deborah Potter, a former CBS News reporter and executive director of the News Lab think tank.

"What you don't want to do is allow the news that you want to know swallow the news that you need to know."

Brzezinski, daughter of Carter administration national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, said that after her initial annoyance on the morning of Hilton's release, she and Scarborough were really just mocking themselves.

But if that makes people think about Hilton coverage, so much the better, she said.

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July 09, 2007


How does Pixar keep doing it? Coming up with these great ideas! Each movie seems to outdo the one before it. And that's saying a lot. The first was Toy Story, which I loved. Then all the ones that followed it. A Bug's Life, Toy Story 2, Monsters Inc, The Incredibles, Finding Nemo and Cars. There was a lot of speculation that Ratatouille would not be very good, because it's the first one done under the Disney umbrella, after they bought Pixar. Well, they said that Cars would be a dismal failure because it was the last movie that Pixar was doing before they got bought up by Disney. Cars turned out to be great. I still think it was robbed of it's Oscar. But, that's a different story. So, we went and saw this last night. It was great! We were applauding at some points in the movie. And, when it was over, the audience in the theater, applauded. It's rare to see that nowadays. It's a really cute, simple plot. A little rat named Remy, who has a taste for good food. Not only does he want to eat good food, he wants to cook it. So, with the help of a human, who can't cook, he is able to come up with delicious meals for a failing Paris restaurant. The ending is actually surprising. You think it's going to go one way, and it veers off into another better one. I want to see it again. Hopefully, at a time when the theater isn't as noisy.

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July 04, 2007

Happy 4th of July

This has become somewhat of a blog tradition. Posting a picture of the fireworks we are going to set off tonight. Unfortunately, I have to go to work today. But, I hope to cut out early. Here's hoping that everyone has a safe and happy 4th!

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July 03, 2007

Breaking in a New Washer and Dryer

Mike and I's first washer was a hand me down from someone. I don't remember too much about it. I would wash the clothes and hang them out to dry. I don't know if it eventually failed, or what. But, we decided to get a new washer/dryer set back in the late 1980's. It was a GE set from Silo Appliances and Electronics. It was a good set. Held up well for a family of five. Doing several loads about twice a week. A couple of months ago, the dryer wasn't drying as well. Heavier clothes had to be dried twice, sometimes three times. We started to spin dry them, in the washer, three times to get as much water wrung out to help with the drying. The problem got worse. Now, my load of work pants had to tumble through 4 times. Three spins in the washer, and four runs through the dryer was taking up too much time and making the electric bill soar. Time to get a new washer/dryer. We thought of maybe just getting a dryer, but the washer was starting to show it's age. Creaking and groaning every time one did a load. So, we replaced them with another GE washer/dryer set. Mike had to replace the floor underneath the washer. The floor was rotting out due to some damage from a few years ago when one of the high pressure hoses broke on the washer. Ran the washer last night. Too quiet. I think the drum is stuck. Go to look. No, it's agitating. But, it's so quiet. I'm used to having the volume up full blast to drown out the sound of a noisy washer. Don't need to. This thing is quiet. And, it's working properly. I can see a ton of dirt in the water. It gets the clothes clean and I toss the first load into the dryer. Five pairs of denim jeans. The dryer runs through it's cycle and I pull them out. They are dry. Right there, we are already saving on electricity and these two will pay for themselves.

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